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Siste Stortingsmelding viser salg av forsvarsmateriell til regimer den Norske stat ikke vil direkte assosieres med!

Våpen Norge

“Det er riktig at Norge ikke deltok i selve invasjonen. Bondevik skal ha takk for at han klarte, med god hjelp fra fredsbevegelsen og den norske kirken, å stå i mot presset fra Høyre om å slutte seg til USAs og Storbritannias angrep. Men den ubehagelige sannheten er likevel at norske våpen, norske soldater, norske politikere og norsk næringsliv både direkte og indirekte støttet Irak-krigen” (Borgen, 2016).

Igjen skriver jeg om hva freds-nasjonen Norge bedriver. Vi snakker fred og selger ammunisjon. Vi selger våpen og høyt teknisk utstyr, selv med strenge lover og reguleringer blir likevel militært forsvarmateriell til land som bryter med menneskerettigheter og de verdier som Norge står for. Dette skjer selv om forsvarlige salget skjer til våres allierte i NATO og OECD. Disse kjøper største-delen av materiellet og våpnene. Resterende ender til land som kan stilles spørsmål til. Denne informasjon kom ut og gitt til Stortinget fra Utenriksdepartementet den 10 Juni 2016. Så dette er ikke gammelt nytt, men bør sperre øynene ettersom dette er noe vi gjør for å gjøre verden mindre fredelig.

Totale våpen-eksporten:

“Den samlede verdien av eksporten i 2015 var i underkant av 4,2 milliarder kroner, hvorav drøyt 3 milliarder utgjorde salg av militære varer. Av dette utgjorde eksporten av A-materiell om lag 2,8 milliarder og B-materiell ca. 300 millioner kroner. Eksporten av A-materiell økte med 21 % og eksporten av B-materiell falt med 53 % i 2015” (…) “Den samlede verdien av eksporten i 2014 var ca. 3,6 milliarder, og i 2013 beløp den seg til i underkant av 4,3 milliarder kroner. I forhold til i 2014, økte verdien av den totale eksporten med 15 % i 2015. Eksporten av A- og B-materiell økte med til sammen 4 %” (Meld.St. 36, S: 8, 2016).

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Norge solgte våpen og forsvarmateriell til Forente Arabisk Emirater både ‘elektronisk utstyr’ totalt: 2287 tonn, ‘billed/videoutstyr’ totalt: 508 tonn. også ‘Ammunisjon tilhørende deler og komponenter samt tilhørende deler og komponenter’ totale 23475 tonn .

I det samme året solgte vi fra Norge til Malaysia både våpen og forsvarmateriell. ‘Glattboret våpen med kaliber 20 mm eller mindre, våpen med kaliber 12,7 mm og lavere samt tilhørende komponenter’ 5280 tonn og ‘Ildledningsutstyr og tilhørende systemer og komponenter’ 58 tonn.

Et annet land som ble solgt til var Oman og dette var ‘Bomber, torpedoer, raketter, missiler og eksplosiver samt tilhørende komponenter’ 10015 tonn.

Det var militære-oppdrag gjort i Norge for oppdrags-land ved å reparere våpen og forsvarmateriell. Det ble reparert materiell fra land som Forente Arabiske Emirater, Jordan, Malaysia og Sør Korea. Det ble levert levert kommunikasjonmateriell for militært bruk til Algerie, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia og Thailand.

Disse landene fikk etterforsyning av forsvarmateriell i år fra Norge: Afganistan, Belize, Israel, Irak, Kuwait, Mali og Sør Sudan.

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Noe som er spesielt i rapporten og stusser over at Libya står i tabell 9.2. i Stortingsmeldingen, men har intet direkte eksport til, så hvorfor lagt inn ett mottakerland av forsvarmateriell, men ingen offisielle tall. Dette virker suspekt, resterende land har fått materiell i løpet av tidsperioden 2012 til 2015.

Disse tallene og nasjonene som blir solgt til viser til hvordan ståa er med ‘freds-nasjonen’ Norge. Allerede 1. Mars 2013 skrev jeg en blogg om våpen-regulering og salg. Der man skulle forandre lovene for å gjøre det vanskeligere å videreselge til visse former for problematiske nasjoner og land der en bryter med internasjonale lover og regler; slik som menneskerettigheter og konvensjoner for ‘rettferdig krig’. Dette gjør at lovteksten og skjønnet blir plausibelt. Noen nyanser jeg kritiserte i 2013 og likeså kan idag. Ettersom å selge våpen til Libya, Sør Sudan, Mali, Irak, Belize og Afganistan burde sees på som tvilsomme salg ettersom konflikt og brudd burde eksistere. Dette er noe en freds-nasjon ikke skulle støtte. Selv om Norsk tropper har tidligere vært til stede eller gjort oppdrag som en del Nato i flere nasjoner, der man stille spørsmål om deres oppdrag var rett eller feil. Kan en likevel still spørsmål til fortsettelsen av å selge våpen og forsvarmateriell til konfliktområder ettersom da profitten i Norge er viktigere enn menneskeliv. Peace.

Referense:

Borgen, Erling – ‘Det norske hykleriet om Irak-krigen’ (08.06.2016) link: http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/det-norske-hykleriet-om-irak-krigen/60312259

Stortinget – Meld. St.36 (2015-2016) ‘Eksport av forsvarsmateriell fra Norge i 2015, eksportkontroll og internasjonalt ikke-spredningssamarbeid’ (10.06.2016)

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Opinion: Mzee sounding like a drunken uncle proclaiming peace for Palestine while the PM Netanyahu laughed and grinned while listening to him at Entebbe! (transcripted major parts of it)

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There isn’t every day the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu commemorates fallen soldiers and hostages abroad. So, when he does President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni who is the host and the man honoring his fellow Executive, should by all means not embarrass himself or anybody else. Though certain quotes from this speech is to nice not to be told to the world; they need to be addressed. Something to honor the words from the long-serving President Museveni, who must have taken a few Nile Brews before jumping on stage after PM Netanyahu.

I have described much of the speech, until the ending when it was nonsense on unprecedented levels, the vanish of wise words together with the mixing of certain aspects of Israeli culture and scripture, the running of Palestine and the negotiations between Palestinian and Jewish people, where obvious, even I won’t discuss or try to comply with a valid argument for either groups for their arguments for their historical claim to set-area or set-space as the unbalanced and grand scale of the long-term conflict between the two parties are too hectic to touch. But please enjoy the madness from President Museveni. Certainly Don Wanyama must be shaking his hand in the State House, wondering if he needs to order a teleprompter for President Museveni.

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Here is what I cared for transcript of the speech:      

First: “wanted to thanks for making this sad story 40 years ago, into yet another instrument of bonding the holy land Israel-Palestine with the heartland of Uganda. In particular, Africa in general”

Secondly: “The sad event 40 years ago turned into another bond linking Palestine to Africa” (…) “I say this is yet another bond between Africa and Palestine, because there we’re earlier bonding events. The Story of Joseph and Moses between 1886 B.C. and 1446 B.C. You remember that story? The Story of Joseph, it was also a sad story, but it also get the bond. Just like this one here. At the end of the story of baby Jesus, being hidden in Egypt, I don’t know which year. Because they say: He was hidden there, in the book of Matthew chapter two verses 13-23. He was hidden there from Herrod, Herrod, Herrod was a bad gentleman or something like that. Not my people here wrote 4 AD, but I got reluctant to read it, because how could it be 4 AD, when you are just being born; there must be something wrong, I need to do more research on this here, but the story and the book of Matthew says: say that baby Jesus was hidden in Egypt from Herrod, so that is another bond, another bond between Africa and Palestine, but born out of sad circumstances”

Third: “Then there is the famous story Queen of Sheeba, which is found in the book of Kings Chapter 10 Verses 1-13, the Entebbe rescue operation of 1976 is therefore, yet another bond between the two areas growing out of adversity”.

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Fourth: “As you all know, our movement is a liberation movement, liberation movement only fight only, for just causes and never use terrorist methods. Therefore for us when it comes to which war to fight, it is both about the cause and the method. We must fight for a just cause, but also use civilized methods in fighting, even if a fighter has a just cause to fight for, he or she should distil his or her methods. In discriminate use in use of violence is criminal, why target civilians and non-combatants. Even soldiers when they are not armed should not be attacked, that’s our, our doctrine. Even if our enemy are not armed, we never attack him. That’s our doctrine. We are a liberation movement, we use violence to fight for the cause of Africa, but it is disciplined and purposeful violence not in discriminate violence. It is cowardice and criminal to do so. Targeting non-combatants, some people tried to confuse freedom fighters fighting with terrorism. No, you can be a freedom fighter without being a terrorist. Targeting non-combatants max the boundary between freedom fighters and terrorist. Even when the cause is justified”

Fifth: “In the broader matter of the Israel-Palestine area, we in Uganda are guided by the bible. In Chapter 11 of the book of Genesis Verse 31: Abraham came from Uri, don’t know how to pronounce it, it is written U R, I don’t know how to pronounce it, but I pronounce it in our language URI, Mesopotamia and settled in Harrang, Canaan, this is estimated for being in the year of 2081 B.C. There we’re other tribes in that area, such as the Caanites, Ca-na, Canasites, Cardemonites, what is not mention there in the bible”.

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Sixth: “Besides the story of the stories of two wives of Abraham, than I pronounced him in our language, Shara and Hagara, I don’t know how you pronounce it the name in your language, but I am pronounce it in my language. When it is called Shara, in my language and the other one is called Hagara. Therefore we in Uganda cannot accept the bigotry that holds, that either of you does not belong to that area. When I meet my friend the Arabs, our the Iranians, this is what I tell them. The other time I, I went to Iran, then there was the, the man who was president of the that time, the one who was the president before this one. The one who is there now, Huh? Bokanamoto? Whaaat?” – ‘People answer, he says loud’ “Ahmadinejad”. Ahmadinejad, and I, I told him about this story, I said because he was saying that the Jews don’t belong to the Middle East, that they came from Europe. That what he was telling me, I said no, but a, I read the bible and here they are, the Jews are here, I showed it to you. I showed him where to, where it was talked about. I also asked him something, which he didn’t know at all, in the bible its talks about the Persians and the Mediants. So I asked him, Ahmadinejad where are the Medians, ‘we now know the Persians are you, are yourselves, but where are the Medians?’ He didn’t know, he didn’t know, he didn’t know the, nobody there knew. So they started asking each other: ‘who? Bodian? Bodian?’ They went on and got a very old man from the university. He the one who came and said: ‘oh, the Medians something something’, I could see that in some of the some of the situations there is a lot of ignorance. A lot of ignorance, and a so I normally tell my Arab friends and a our Iranian friends, that you are all you are all mentioned in the bible”.

Seventh: “The Story of Shara and Hagara, the book of Genesis, the two woman, in the book of Genesis Chapter 1 and Verse 9-13. Incidentally, you need to know, these Ugandans, doesn’t know that you are not Christians. Haha. They don’t know. They think you are Christian. Hahaha, but let them know that you are the grandchildren of Ibrahim and all that, so they that, they assume you are Christian. They don’t even know the Christian are here, I think the Priests are here, the Priest must be fully, the always talking about you, but they think you are Christians. They don’t know that you are, you are not Christian”.

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Eight: “That Jews came from Shara and Arabs came from Hagara, therefore, we in Uganda cannot accept the bigotry that told the either of you as I have already said, that does not belong to that area. The Romans upset the equilibrium by dispassing the Jews in the year 66 AD. There after the Jews suffered endless privations, endless sufferings being victims, all sorts of hoodlums, such as Hitler and until they founding of the state of Israel 1948. That was what the Prime Minister was saying here. The Jewish leaders, why is it the avoiding the British nonsense, the British friends are for, sometimes are for, all nonsensical actions, the Jewish leaders, why is there avoiding the British nonsense? Proposing to bring you to Uganda because you have no historical claim here! This was just nonsense, there was this character called Balfour, Balfour something like that, there was a character called Balfour. I don’t know how they pronounce his name, but that gentleman 2000s something creation something that, and they fellow was talking about Uganda. As the home of the Jews, you can see how these fellows are really not serious. Now, fortunately the Jewish leaders rejected that nonsense, that rubbish! We have no historical claim on Uganda, we came from Palestine and want to go back! Those Jewish leaders where very very clever, otherwise we would be fighting you now. This man was called Balfour, that gentleman, that he was foreign minister, when you are so ignorant? Eh? You went to where you had a historical claim, Palestine, therefore rationally, historically and legitimately, the two of you belong to that area, the only way for you and for the world is for the two of you to agree. To live side by side, in two states, one Jewish state and the another one Arab in Peace and with recognized borders. I know there are some people who try to, you know western, waste a lot of time, these international committees, that is why sometimes when I go there I sleep, cause it helps me to survive. The meetings are a lot of energy expended on saying that Palestine is like South Africa. Palestine’s is not like South Africa. South Africa are now trying to say Mandela, the Whites, the South Africa, eeh! Non-Racial state, South Africa, but that is a difference story, cannot be equated, well I have never mediated in the issue of the Palestine. But if you invited me, there be very clear ideas and short time. Because the issues are very clear, a lot of times has been lost, a lot of trouble have been picket up, but I don’t think or do not see any other way. Because they spend some time on the right of the return of the refugees and all that other, but this is a not a, one day if they invite me, I would give them my views, by the time they Israel’s arrested the hostages, in 1976, we had been fighting Idi Amin for Six Years, we had no pause to Amin, right from the beginning, because as the issues, we knew that Amin would head in the wrong direction. It is actually some of the Western countries that we’re supporting the Idi Amin. Therefore Amin’s hobnobbing with the terrorist was a crime in itself. Fortunately his illiterate army had no discipline to deploy properly. Otherwise it would been impossible for the light armed rescue force successfully extracting the hostages. Amin was wrong keep the hostages and the Israelis we’re right to use the incapacity of the army rescue the innocent hostages. Terrorist methods are wrong and necessary complicating factor, even when the cause is just. I salute the moment of the memory of those who died on that occasion on the account, the cascade of mistakes by the different actors, I praise the Lord for the lives those that we’re rescued. Forty Years from the sad events of the 1976 that brought the bonding and adversity, should be time into opportunity”.

Jerusalem Post 1976

Nineth: The Constant hostility by neighbors, Israel has developed high technology center the huge and increasing populace continent of 1.25 billion people today, 980 million who live in Sub-Sahara Africa through new futurairy arrangements can take advantage of those that difficult achievement for rapid growth. Is why Israelis should come and invest in Africa, trade between Israel and Africa, and third party markets is also potentially beneficial”.

Today is not a day to readdress the speech and transcript, as just transcription of it is enough of honor for this speech. The ones that are shocked of this forgets that President Museveni is getting older and think he is the wise-man, the elder with advice not only the funny that even Arsen Ostrovsky wonder where he could pick it up?

The issues is the ways he is rising the issues through his mind, the way the ability of the arguments, the simplistic and character of the whole memorial. As the historical facts and fiction is mended together without any consideration, the bible are mixed into the stew of Entebbe raid of 1976, the establishment of the state, the Balfour agenda of early 1900s when he proposed to give way for the Jewish people to settle in Uganda. Even Hitler who was a hoodlum today, apparently, even had at one point ideas to send them to Madagascar, which was the only African point missing from this speech. But, that is a minor flaw in the other dismay of village attitude and elderly wisdom, while he cannot see the difference between Israel and Palestine, when he has the Prime Minister of Israel, where the Israel Defense Force sent a little group to free hostages in 1976. The other fractions of ages, dates and even tribes in Canaan proves that it was good he became a rebel and a politician and not Pastor, as he has claimed he had at one point to be.

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That he had to explain at the Memorial of the Terrorist action had to explain the difference between terrorism and liberation, proves that he have at any point to legitimize his own position and the rule of the Movement. As that was at one point a cornerstone of the speech. I was thinking at one point he would pin the difference between a British Enclave and todays Ugandan Republic, because of the foolish British people and their interests; but that did not pop-up in his mind today.

The speech was to little power and fitted the function, the age is really bearing on Museveni, people we’re smirking and laughing, while he was serious and looked rattled, most of unprepared and unsecure about the subject of the day. The tone and the placement of the ‘facts’ and opinions we’re not making much sense. The ability of keeping the crowd and being interesting is something have had, but now the age have captured the man, even some was sleeping and other murmuring. The best news was that a Israeli radio turned off the broadcast after a while as the speech was such nonsense they rather send something else then what a foreign president we’re speaking about the Israeli mission and respecting the Jewish historical claim to the ‘Palestine’.

This one is the Mugabe-Moment of President Museveni, I am soon seeing him falling in Parliament and also struggling in public. That is to come, as this shows his weakness, as the age is coming and visible. Get the man a teleprompter; teach him the words he is unsure of, isn’t that why he has a 100 Presidential Advisors. Where they can also has their own press-team under the Prime Minster and the State House. Peace.

PLO Lumumba – “We are Co-Authors of our misfortune”

Interesting, right? Enlightenment, right?

Peace!

Press release: The United Nations Arms Trade Treaty will “enter-into-force” and become international law on December 24, 2014.

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WikiLeaks – East Africa in the 1970s: how the tensions running high between the nations ,disbanding EAC, and US involvment.

Here is brief WikiLeaks on the rich history of the 70’s in East Africa. The interesting times and political play of an era which is now gone. What we can learn by this, is how to deal with tension between nations and also what values we should seek. Read this and hopefully you will be a bit more enlighten on some history which happened not too long ago.

Short historical pretense to the Uganda-Kenya-Tanzania tensions of the 70s:

“Kenyan press accused Ugandan soldiers of murdering and chasing off railway officials in February, 1973. Uganda claimed that it was planned by former Ugandan president, Obote and his supporters” (…)”President Amin of Uganda placed his military on alert for an invasion of British forces from Kenya as tensions grew concerning the death sentence of British journalist, Denis Hills who criticized Amin. On June 25, 1975, Amin accused Britain of sending two warships with soldiers to Kenya in preparation for an invasion. The British government called the deployment a routine visit. On July 1, 1975, Amin announced that he would grant Hills a pardon” (…)”President Kenyatta of Kenya threatened war with Uganda in February, 1976 over a border dispute” (…)”President Amin of Uganda withdrew his claims on the disputed area on Febraury 27, 1976, but tensions continued. Kenya protested the killing of a Kenyan student in Uganda on March 12, 1976” (…)”Israeli troops rescued some 100 hostages at Entebbe airport in Uganda on July 3-4, 1976, and Israeli military aircraft used in the rescue mission landed in Nairobi, Kenya for refueling before returning to Israel. President Idi Amin of Uganda accused Kenya of collaborating with Israel on July 4, 1976. Some 3,000 Kenyans fled from Uganda on July 5-15, 1976. On July 8, Kenya demanded that Uganda pay for all goods being shipped through Kenya because of the debt Uganda owed it. On July 9, Kenya restricted Uganda’s access by rail to the Indian Ocean. The Kenyan government reported on the tenth of July that 245 Kenyan citizens had been killed in Uganda” (…)”On July 16, 1976, Kenyan truck and railway workers refused to enter Uganda. Uganda promised not to invade Kenya on July 21. Uganda cut electricity supplies to Kenya on July 24. Kenya severed the supply of oil to Uganda on July 25, 1976, and President Amin retaliated by threatening to go to war with Kenya. Uganda agreed to hold negotiations with Kenya on July 30, 1976” (…)”President Amin of Uganda and President Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya signed an agreement in Nairobi on August 7, 1976, which provided for the withdrawal of troops from the border region. Kenya resumed the supply of oil to Uganda on August 11, 1976. This ended the series of conflicts that make up” (…)”Kenya and Uganda agreed to resume diplomatic relations on February 10, 1978. Kenya closed its border with Uganda in April, 1979 to stop the inflow of fleeing Ugandan soldiers fleeing from the invasion of Tanzania” (Dingu.sbs.arizona.edu)

This was the short history of the exiting times in East Africa. Here is what I found from the releases of documents on Wikileaks:  

In May 1973 Kampala Uganda, the elite or prominent people resigned their post.  Professor and Dean in Political Science, Ali Mazrui is specialized in the fields of Europe and American politics. Since the coup of 1971 he has given lectures that are pro-Amin, still with the repression of the elite has changed his views (Wikileaks, 1973). The reason why Ali Mazrui was turned against Idi Amin was the way he repressed the Acholi, the Langi, the Asians and the murders of Bendicto Kiwanuka and Vice-Chancellor Frank Kalimuzo of Makerere (Binghampton, 2011).

Ambassador Barigye resigned on the 3rd of May 1973. Julius Nyerere granted him political asylum in Tanzania. His travel paper told another story that he ended in Lusaka, because the work opportunity is supposed to be better there (WikiLeaks, 1973).

Certain diaspora in Tanzania:

Obote is reported to be in Tanzania, also with terminated cabinet ministers. Idi Amin has put new people who have to act in their position, leaving the other one to end their former minsters posts (WikiLeaks, 1973).

4th of May General Amin appointed soldiers to be Saza and Gambola Cheifs. Their training started on 7th of May which now has turned into 3 or 4 weeks. Amin told them: “When he completes reorganization and everything is seen (to be) working well, he will give six months or one year for people to prepare for general elections” (WikiLeaks, 1973).

Tentative coup plans of 1973:

The ones that were supporting this operation were the Tanzania, China and also possible USA to assist the coup in Uganda. Ugandan leaders supporting this were Ali Mazuri and Major Okoth. Richard Ojok was delivering a plan at the embassy at the 21th August (WikiLeaks, 1973). Ojok has organized a group called UNQTE. Ali Mazuri is a part of this outfit. Major Ojok has met Nyerere to get Tanzanian assistance for the coup. Chinese Millitary Attache Cho En Tieng was present and offered financial assistance. The Chinese also offered Army personnel, but Ojok was afraid that if the coup succeeded the Chinese would be tied to power. The plan for the plot was to let the army men travel in civilian at 5th of October on an East African Airlines. Mazuri has discussed the matter to a African American Arms dealer Julian Hilbert. Hilbert assistance will come if they get enough funding. Major Ojok has been into Uganda and knows that they have 200 well trained military men, with a unit of 400 Libyan troops and 21 Mirage Jet Fighters. On his assassination list is the Commander of the Simba Mechanized Regiment at Mbabara: Lt. Col. Maliyamungu. They fear him because he has control of the tank division. So UNQTE feel they need to get tanks and are trying to get funds to complete this. Former Minister Kibedi is offering a position to those who are supporting funds. Ojok is not planning to have the coup when Amin is departed trip to Algeria for a conference. It will be when he is in the country. 22th of August 1973 will Ojok be back in Uganda and stay at the Standard Hotel. Lindstrom forward all information to the Washington Agencies (WikiLeaks, 1973).

Problems between Uganda and Tanzania:

13th of July 1974 General Amin had allegation of supposed plans of a coup and invasion from Tanzania. Amin is saying that Zambia and Tanzania is wishing to get the ousted Obote back as president in Uganda. He says: “Actively supporting Dr Milton Obote to mount an invasion of Uganda” (…)” Continues to encourage and assist invasion of Uganda, battlefields will be Mwanza, Musoma, Tabora, and Dodoma. I am not going to kneel down in front of him, he must know that I am a General who can fight any war, at any time, anywhere” (WikiLeaks, 1974). Tanzanian Governement replied to Amin: “Government wants to make clear that should these allegations be used for an attack, Tanzania will be justified to take all necessary steps to defend itself”. Radio Tanzania has reported on 15. July 1974 that President SIAD has inquired to the Secretary General of the OAU to get a meeting between Uganda, Zambia and Tanzania. This tension strand from the prominent position Obote got under the 20th anniversary of TANU on 7. July 1974 (WikiLeaks, 1974).

Boycott of Ugandan goods:

Idi Amin statement: “Does not constitute apology for recent territorial claim which GOK is insisting upon before presently strained bilateral relation can be normalized”. Dockworkers in Mombasa boycott the boats with Ugandan destined cargo. This leading too delayed boats out of docks of Mombasa. Amin is waiting for a Government of Kenya (GOK) apology. This boycott could lead to Amin to cut electricity which Amin claimed was substantial for Kenya, the estimation is between 15-20%. The photographer of Jomo Kenyatta has been burned in public in Uganda (WikiLeaks, 1976).

Fuel Shortage in Rwanda:

Uganda has had economic setbacks due to the closure of borders with Kenya. This has led to the gas shortage in Rwanda – because of the Mombasa-Kampala line. Tea and coffee export is really hit by this gas shortage (WikiLeaks, 1976). Rwandan MINFIN, National Bank of Rwanda flew to Kampala with President Habyarimana on the 17. March to discuss a government deal with Amin. Amin snubbed it for three reasons:

  1. Rwandan transport is the reason why the Ugandan roads deteriorating.
  2. Rwandan economic policies are the reason why the Ugandan Shilling is weakened and making Rwandan Franc is staying strong.
  3. Amin Accused the Rwandan of selling Ugandan coffee.
  4. Amin wasn’t happy that Habyarimana met with Nyerere last month.

(WikiLeaks, 1976)

President Habyarimana is sure this economic sanction from Uganda is because of his way of dealing with Amin. Also even with the new Rwandan Foreign Policy of having good relation to its neighbors. And continue with building relation with Tanzania, even hasten Mwanza-Rusumu to Dar es Salem (WikiLeaks, 1976).

MINFIN is Ministry of Finance (Worldbank, 2007).

Continuation on the tension in East Africa:

  • Nyerere is not happy about the arms deal that they have done with South Africa. Especially after the meeting between South Africa’s Heath and Zambia’s Kaunda. Nyerere said he “Put heat in the Dock”. Nyerere was now bitter about the whole affair.
  • UK was happy with the Amin coup, they supported him and to overthrow of Obote. UK wanted that Amin to get rid of Sudanese troops in the South. When OAU gave the conference to Kampala it “gave this crook continental respectability”.
  • Nyerere thought it was amusing now that UK, Israel and Kenya is now enemies of Uganda. He commented: “Jomo needs a little external trouble to reinforce internal unity right now and an external fool always help is such case” (…) “we all do sometimes”.
  • Nyerere had really not any real fear of Amin neither had Kenya. Secondly Nyerere wasn’t going to start anything.
  • What Nyerere was worried about what was US up to. Especially on sale of F-5. Since their trying to out maneuver Soviet military support to Uganda and Somalia. Secretary Rumsfeld visited Nairobi. Nyerere wished that UK and USA helped Kenya in all other ways then military operation towards Uganda as he said “Leave this quarrel to East Africa, we will take care of it”.

(WikiLeaks, 1976)

Tanzania and USSR:

Nyerere will order Foreign Minister Kaduma question the USSR ambassador whom the Soviet arming Uganda against. Nyerere had done the same time before when Uganda got the military equipment called MIGS. Soviet answers said “Imperialist!” Nyerere answered “Nonsense” (WikiLeaks, 1976).

Uganda – Kenya Tension continues:

It’s now 15 October 1976. Kenya has released the Bedford trucks as a quid pro quo for getting their electricity back. Still all military equipment isn’t being shipped from Mombasa. It will be that way until the OAU 6 nation based commission is put into place. There are negotiations in New York on the matter. Kenyan Foreign Minister Karithi says all non-military based deliveries to Uganda except for jet-aviation-fuel which they are holding back. Amin is more and more irritated at the Kenyan boycott of arms. This led to the point where Amin attempted to call VP Moi of Kenya to complain about the matter. Most of the members of Ugandan Defense Council are not unwilling to take action towards Kenya (WikiLeaks, 1976).

Arms from Tanzania to Uganda:

There been rumors of regular arms traffic from the Kismayu to Uganda via the Kilmanjaro International Airport without entering Kenyan Air Space. The route being: Kismayu – Somalia – Tanzania – Uganda. This been in Ugandan’s own C-130 Transport Aircraft. And an U.S. Citizen is involved in the arms trade. This increasing support of Uganda is happening, even after the assurance of otherwise from Nyerere during the last meeting in August between Nyerere and Kenyatta (WikiLeaks, 1976).

Tanzania – Kenya tensions:

Permanent Secretary of Kenya has claimed that the Tanzanian government is dealing with “trade sabotage” and also focusing funds on rebuilding Tanga and Ports of Dar-Es-Salam. They also preferred the Chinese over the Kenyan. Kenyan Foreign Minister Karithi also claimed that Tanzania doesn’t trade rightfully with Kenya. Especially when looking at the trade balance which was in 1975 2, 3 to 1, in the three first months of 1976 it’s 3 to 1. Nyerere’s answer to all this that the trade gap between Kenya and Uganda that was in 1975 20 to 1 and in 1976 became 40 to 1. Nyerere also admits that Ugandans smuggle coffee to Kenya so that distort the numbers (WikiLeaks, 1976). Tanzanian also claims that Kenya is taking the major share of the tourism. The East African Airways are supposed to lure tourist to all parts of East Africa, not only Kenya, even though the Tourist infrastructure seem superior in Kenya compared to the rest, even if the animal and nature sights in Tanzania is much greater (WikiLeaks, 1976).

1977:

5th July 1977 Amin approached Kenyan Foreign Minister Waiyaki at the OAU summit in Libreville. Amin claimed that Nyerere agreed to have a “save the EAC” meeting and Amin hoped that the Kenyan would have this meeting in Nairobi. This request comes at the time when Kenya won’t spend funds into the EAC until Tanzania reopens their common borders. Government of Kenya has also recalled their workers from the EAC headquarters from Arusha (WikiLeaks, 1977).

EAC and USAID:

Kenya already sees the EAC as and non-existent entity already at 15th of June 1977. In Kenya the EAC research programs that have been under EAC will now be under GOK (Government of Kenya). The Government desires that the aid continues and sign project agreements as soon as practical. Kenyan government has also started to convert community entities to Kenyan once. Uganda is supposed to pull unless Amin get to meet Nyerere on the 20th of July. There is no reason for that to materialize. The borders also still closed between Kenya and Tanzania (WikiLeaks, 1977).

US African Affairs – DRC’s Mobutu and Uganda’s Amin:

Mobutu responded positive to our request of approaching Amin. The matter at hand is if we’re give Amin something then Mobutu need something as well. We have been using Mobutu to deal with Amin, but we can’t expect him do the deals with him without some gestures from our part. The message US African Affairs sent Mobutu in September 1977:

  • We are pleased by Mobutu’s prompt, public support of our proposals on Zimbabwe settlement.
  • We appreciate also Mobutu’s intervening with Amin on Humanitarian grounds, and recognize the difficulties posed for him by this and other interventions he has made on our behalf.
  • We value Zaire’s continued corporations and wish to stay in close touch on issues of common concern.

(WikiLeaks, 1977)

Kenya trusted American ally:

Ministry of Defense briefed them on their situation:

  • Kenya is surrounded by alien ideologies and Soviet and PRC influence, and its economic development and political stability that have caused envy and hostile neighbors.
  • Somalia is recruiting actively guerrillas against Kenya. This in a so called Ogaden style to carry out the claims for the North-Eastern Kenya. The Guerrilla has now a force of up to 10 000. This with the training from North Korea and Cuba since 1969. With the expulsion of Soviets, this might lead to a better friendship between them. But Somalia has not renounced the territorial claims. The Kenya-Somalia relationship can be described as “No Peace, No War”. Kenya would not be offended by a tighter relationship with Mogadishu; they know that Somalis will not talk to the Americans since they have their relations with Soviet and Ethiopia, who provide those arms and aid.
  • Uganda is an unstable neighbor. And has threats to attack Kenya. The lifeline for Kenya is that if Somalia attacks North-East, then Amin might be tempted to go in the Western. Because Amin would like to upset Kenyan stability.
  • Tanzania hasn’t been an issue not until 1977. When they closed down the EAC and also their borders. Also with incursions from Tanzania with killings and cattle rustling. It seems as Tanzania now works more closely to Zambia and Mozambique.
  • Ethiopia because of Somalia is a reliable ally. Though if it is so in future, they are not so sure. This be given the Soviet and Marxist believes in the country.
  • Because of this, Kenya needs to strengthen its borders. Particular Uganda and Somalia.

(WikiLeaks, 1977)

Links:

Binghampton.edu – ‘IN PURSUIT OF PERSONAL EXCELLENCE: THE DECLINE AND REVIVAL OF ALI A. MAZRUI’: Second Draft (10.2011) Link: http://www.binghamton.edu/igcs/docs/In%20Pursuit%20of%20Personal%20Excellence-The%20Decline%20and%20Revival%20of%20Ali%20A.%20Mazrui.pdf

Dingu.Sbs.Arizona.edu – ‘Rivnotes’ Link: http://dingo.sbs.arizona.edu/~ggoertz/rivalry/cmv5.10/cm500501v5.10.txt

WikiLeaks – ‘MAZRUI RESIGNS; SOLDIERS REPLACE CHIEFS’ (05.05.1973) Link: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1973KAMPAL01538_b.html

WikiLeaks – ‘UGANDA COUP PLANS’ (21.08.1973) Link: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1973NAIROB05577_b.html

WikiLeaks – ‘NEW PROBLEM IN TANZANIA-UGANDA RELATIONS’ (15.07.1974) Link: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1974DARES02360_b.html

WikiLeaks – ‘PRESIDENT NYERERE ON KENYA-UGANDA QUARREL’ (19.07.1976) Link: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976DARES02606_b.html

WikiLeaks – ‘UGANDA: AMIN SNUBS RWANDA ON PETROL CRISIS’ (30.03.1976) Link: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976KIGALI00245_b.html

WikiLeaks – ‘KENYAN-UGANDAN RELATIONS’ (15.10.1976) Link:

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976NAIROB11323_b.html

WikiLeaks – ‘FUTURE OF U.S. AID PROGRAM TO EAST AFRICAN COMMUNITY’ (26.07.1977) Link: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1977NAIROB09350_c.html

WikiLeaks – ‘CODEL PRICE CONSULTATION WITH BOK’ (18.11.1977) Links: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1977NAIROB15006_c.html

WikiLeaks – ‘PROPOSED MESSAGE FOR MOBUTU’ (10.09.1977) Link:

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1977KINSHA08671_c.html

WorldBank – ‘FINANCING AGREEMENT’ (05.02.2007) Link: http://www-wds.worldbank.org/external/default/WDSContentServer/WDSP/AFR/2010/06/03/54A8AF4762E6EA70852572A600670F84/2_0/Rendered/INDEX/FA01Conformed1010Corrected.txt

Discussion: There is two sides to every story (both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinians – their stories are biased just as this one)

This had to be done, especially because of the race between the pro-Israel and pro-Palestinians and how they try to rule the media and also the public opinion. I have not intended to bend you into either direction. Who? Where? What? Nah, I won’t answer that. The thing I will do is instead look into how biased we can be, and also little insight we sometimes have. In the end I will just ask a simple question.  Does that sounds feasible in our day and age? If not, well, still have a blessed journey through my very simple piece.

We live in a time and day where wars are happening. There are certain rules to the proceedings right? Still, when we discuss them we still take sides. Hiram Johnson senator in US from 1917-1945, he said: “Truth,’ it has been said, ‘is the first casualty of war” (…) “Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages” (WikiQuote, 2014).

Even Protagoras said: “there two sides to every story, and one truth. Tell the story, and get out of the way; let the reader figure it out” (Cousineau, 2010).

Now I won’t go to ethical or historical down. Because then my thoughts we’ll be gone in the wind. Like tiny little leafs that being caught with the rush of the wind.

I am writing this because in my own country there is hard headed discussion about the innocence and righteous war for either Israel or the Palestinians on the Gaza stip. They are both going at it like every drunken uncle at the barbeque. Both blaming each other just like they are doing on the stip. Sending grenades from neighbor to neighbor and it never ends.

Why I am saying this like that, because the bickering and discussing over the matter, like you doesn’t give the cause anything, neither to you nor the other guy who disagree. We know that both side of the story. It’s hard from a far even in our day and age to know who is actually accurate. We trust in this media, sometimes government controlled as such. Which even has some reporters that can be biased. Let me get serious! We are all a bit biased. Like I am biased on the matter of which leader in Uganda I respect the most – not Yoweri K. Museveni but Dr. Kizza Besigye. So when people are saying directly all the time and addressing each other, they seem like their forgetting this.

Especially when we know that the truths are the first to die in a war. Therefore the story that is going to be told shouldn’t have the issues of falsehood in them, but still they might not be the whole picture. The whole picture isn’t clear until the weapons have been put into a storage unit and the sad loss on each side is counted. Like Protagoras said: there are two sides to every story. That is because there is to side’s view to what they saw and felt occurred during the events.

Zdenek Urbánek said in the 1970s Checkoslovakia: “In one respect, we are more fortunate than you in the west. We believe nothing of what we read in the newspapers and watch on television, nothing of the official truth. Unlike you, we have learned to read between the lines, because real truth is always subversive” (Pilger, 2006). This was in the 1970s Iron Curtain and when the Soviet was under the rule of Stalin and staying strong. We can just live into the words that he is saying. Can we imagine it or will it all ends into an Orwellian nightmare?

What I am not saying is that we should be bleak about the factors and the injustice that is happening worldwide. It’s natural to react to people losing their lives and people living under circumstances way beyond what we should wish for our worst enemy. More of what I am asking for both parties in a discussion, as viral as the discussions between pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. Act real please! You both can’t have all the information and the whole facts on the situation on the ground. The last piece of the history we got is from the last strongest part, which took the core measurement and got on top.

The, Who? Where? What? We all live in different places all around the world. We have had different teachers, different parents, different childhoods, eaten all kind of foods, drinking local kind of drinks, being a part of some faith, political views, this all will be a part of margins of error in our judgment on recent events. Wouldn’t we hear a different view on Russian annexation from a Slovakian then a brother from Greece? Wouldn’t the thoughts on Ukraine be different seen by a brother in Sierra Leone versus Chinese? It might be the same even, but if the context and our luggage in our mind and our conscious should have any indication, then it should at least differ a bit.

The stories from direct line might be tainted as much as the outsiders discussing it. They have deal with losses, with victories and also being in the fire day after day. We from afar can never feel that pain or loss. That’s another reason why we should be a bit careful to discuss the matter at hand.

Especially we all should know that when we pick and make cases, articles, blogs, we’re all usually picking certain links and quotes. Or copy/pasting certain sources and making a case on the matter. To put our view into the world and develop a understanding on the matter from the different places and writers, journalist and commentators, as I do often, I hope they have caught and asked the right questions to the ones close to the matter at hand. So the story will not only be shallow piece. But actually something that shade a little bit of light on the matter at hand. I know in my pieces that I am biased. If a writer says that they are neutral. Then their lying to you and most importantly; nobody can be non-biased. You can work towards that goal. It’s a nice mission, but kind of impossible. More impossible then a mix of Matrix, Mission Impossible and Crank movies into wild goose chase where none of the actors can’t see the forest for the trees.

So please when we discuss matter that are deep, conflicted and sometimes out of reach where our knowledge doesn’t stand to deep. Could we please take a few sips of brew, before we throw stones, then since we’re sitting and drinking the brew (we might start to actually have a conversation…).

Links:

Cousineau, Phil – ‘The Oldest Story In the World’ (Utgiver: 2010) Phil Cousineau.

 

Pilger, John – ‘The real first casualty of war’ (24.04.2006) Link: http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-real-first-casualty-of-war

 

Wikiquote – ‘Hiram Johnson’ (13.04.2014) Link: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hiram_Johnson

Kristne ledere og det kommende valget

Etter at Rune Edvardsen evangelisten fra Sarons Dal i Kvinesdal gikk ut i Fædrelandsvennen med støtte til Arbeiderpartiet(AP). Har det satt fyr i flere debattanter som har kommet kritisk ut mot ytrelsen fra Edvadsen som er lik sin far i støtten til AP. Noe som ikke burde komme som en overraskelse med tanke på at Rune Edvardsen jobbet ti år i Tinfos Jernverk på Øye sletta i Kvinesdal.

At Lise Karlsen i Evangeliesenteret og Emanuel Minos som frittstående evangelist støtter offentlig KRF. Som Dagen idag trykker både i lederartikkel og selvstendig artikkel i Dagen 6. Juni. Viser at plutselig er Edvardsen blitt Røde-Rune. Samtidig blir det pressisert i en liten notis at partiet De Kristne vil marginalisere de kristne stemmene og kanskje ødelegge muligheter for en del mandat for KRF. Av en eller annen grunn blir det også nevnt at SV kan miste mandat til Miljøpartiet De Grønne fordi de ikke er troverdige i miljøspørsmål etter to perioder i regjering med AP og SP.

Vel, la meg komme tilbake til start. Ingen mann har direkte frikort. Ei som kristen om hvem som er politsk korrekt å stemme på. Som troende og mørkemann. Vil jeg si at og være klar på en ting. Jeg har bare stemt på KRF i skolevalg, det skal også sies at på videregående stemte jeg også på Pensjonistpartiet. Så seriøsiteten til meg på den tiden var ikke stor.

Det som er mer seriøst og viktig er å si som alle andre grupperinger. Så er vi kristne, en liten marginalisert gruppe i Norge. Som er langt fra en samlet gruppe. Det er mange kirkesamfunn og forskjellige ideer blant disse. Alle har sine grunner for sine valg og stemmer på sine partier av grunner de selv har lagt til grunn.

At vi en slik splittet gruppe har ledere som stemmer på varierende partier og er medlemmer av forskjellige partier burde være selvsagt. At pinsevenner, baptister, lutheraner eller katolikker skal stemme helt likt? Akkurat som fotball fans skal stemme likt, at en som heier på Rosenborg eller Viking. Det er litt flåsete sagt, men du tar poenget.

At debatten i Dagen er så skråsikker og banal. Nesten til det likgyldige. At det nærmest forventer at Kristne skal støtte oppom KRF. Det er slik jeg leser mellom linjene på artikklene. Gidder ikke å hoppe innom debattsidene på Dagen.no. De vil definitivt bli skvist mellom KRF og De Kristne som kaller andre hyklere.

Så her er vi. I en de-militærisert sone. Hvor alle skriker høyt. Absolutt alle. Ikke at noen diskutere Drillo’s utspill for hvorfor han ikke stiller opp for U21 landslaget i EM sluttspill i Israel. Fordi det er i tiden og er så å si politisk korrekt. Akkurat som Tarik Elyounoussi på selve landslaget.

At man forventer likt stemmegrunnlag på en variert gruppe av mennesker slik som kristne. At krisneledere har all lov i verden til å flagge sin politiske standpunkt burde ikke være så kontroversielt. Det burde ha vært mer kontroversielt at han jobbet for Moland og French for å få fri fra fengel i Kisangani i DRC. Etter de hadde drept sjåføren sin. Det burde være mye mer kontroversielt og stilles spørsmål til en, enn at Edvardsen støtter AP.

At Minos og Karlsen støtter KRF. Er deres sak, så lenge de gjør det bevisst og ikke direkte som en del av tjenestegjerningen deres. Da vil de misbruke sin stilling. Noe som jeg tror Edvardsen har tenkt igjennom. Jeg har ingen problemer at kristne mennesker stemmer forskjellig. Ei heller, at de stemmer på FRP, H, V, SV eller MPG. De kan stemme på Arbeiderpartiet, Rødt, Folkemakten eller Piratpartiet.

Kristne mennesker trenger ikke å stemme KRF eller De Kristne. Det er for naivt å tro noe annet. At kristne spiller Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo, Sega, Comandore64 eller Atari. Samme vis kan man finne sine partiefeller i alle partier. Blant alle politiske skillelinjer. Når kristne(som jeg er en del av) ikke klarer å samarbeide i mellom utenom på hyggelige fellesuker i flere byene.

Mitt poeng er uansett om Åge Åleskjær, Rune Edvardsen, Emanuel Minos eller Stein Reinertsen(Biskopen i Agder) sier hvilket parti de stemmer på. Vil ikke forandre meningene til mange kristne. Ikke at det ikke kan ha betydning. At noen plutselig ikke dukker opp på sommerstevne i Sarons Dal, er merkverdig. Forsatt forståelig. Uansett. Ikke grei alle kristne over en kam ei heller sett oss i bås. Vi bryr oss om samfunnet og vil det beste for felleskapet akkurat som alle andre. Uansett hvilket politisk parti vi stemmer på eller har tenkt å stemme på.

Godt valg! Peace.

En Nigeriansk Prins lille løfte og FRPs handlinger, begge deler like imponerende.

Blir imponert av FRP de siste dagene. Hvor slitne de virker på alle debatter og hvordan de klarer å skvise det råtne tanker ut i offentligheten. Kunne sikkert nevnt om all skittentøy vasken kommet i tabloid pressen det siste året. FRP har jo bare hatt tragisk eksempler på rekke rad. Sex, skatteunndragelse etc. Så de siste dagene er jo bare en trend. Ikke at jeg noen tilhenger av FRP eller deres politikk, men dette viser hvor mye de sliter med å holde seg til medmenneskelighet når de ikke kan vise sin kynisme ovenfor innvandrere eller nye Nordmenn.

Ikke at Tybring-Gjedde eller andre råere personligheter har spredd sin frykt i de siste dagene. Da hadde Mississippi i Flammer vært en verdig film å sende FRP’s hovedkvarter. Vi vil ikke ha flammer over hele Vestlandet eller Sørlandet, eller Grønland, Oslo. Ironisk skriver jeg dette mens jeg hører på P-Square fra Nigeria. Venter på å skulle overføre penger til å hjelpe en Nigeriansk Prins slik at jeg blir millionær. Slik at min stemme har noe å si i dette samfunnet. Neida, poenget er bare Per Sandberg og Siv Jensen. Har tabbet seg og vist sitt ekte ansikt. Ikke at vi kunne forvente noe annet. De kan jo ikke gjemme sine tanker når du er i opposisjonen. Slik som vi så for noen år siden hvor glad SV er i mandariner fra Israel. De elsker dem!! Akkurat som FRP elsker AUF om dagen. Venter bare på å se Siv Jensen og Eskil Pedersen gi hverandre en real klem. For da hadde de vist det hele med mer enn tomme ord. Unnskyldningen hadde også blitt en medmenneskelig handling. Ikke at jeg er en fan av noen partiene, er likevel ikke blind for drakampen mellom disse. Posisjonen er jo satt, regjeringen, naturligvis regjerer. Opposisjonen klager på utsiden. Begge deler er naturlig og slik skal det være.

Likevel virker det som ikke dette er nok for FRPs representanter og deres leder Siv Jensen. De er sulten for mer og vil gjerne gjøre det med alle midler. Viser sin kynisme og ønsker om å komme fram med sine poenger uansett pris. Akkurat som mine Nigerianske venner som vil ha mine penger og ringer gjerne meg opp for får å gi meg kontonummeret i Standard Chartered, Lagos Branch. Ingen av disse menneskene bryr seg så heftig om de som betaler byrden. Så lenge de får det. Målet helliger midlet. Disse lever i det motsatte av Kant. Man kan begynne å lure, hvem de representerer annet enn seg selv. Om det er deres frykt for maktesløshet som fører hit. At de må dytte de som har blitt overkjørt og gått igjennom forferdelig hendelser, få smake salt i såret. Selv om man skal kunne diskutere hendelsen 22. Juli. Så må man ta det for det er. En hendelse som viser hvor skrekkelig ondt et valg blir og hvor mange som blir såret etter dette. Mange av de som var der er forsatt i sørgeperiode. Enda flere kjenner personer som har gått bort og vært tilstede enten i Oslo den helgen eller i nærheten å fått føle usikkerheten selv. Slik som jeg selv fikk når jeg kom inn til Oslo og forsatt hørte glass falle bakken og ryktet om bombe i sentrum. Dette setter bevegelser i kroppen og usikkerheten. Så når FRPs representanter viser lite ærefrykt eller respekt for representanter i AP og AUF. Så blir man såret og skuffet. Slik som mine Nigerianske venner blir at avtalen ikke blir noe av, ei heller jeg ikke en rik man på en, to eller tre. Noe FRP søker med alle mulige mål, bare så lenge de får makten. Om de som ville svindle pengene mine skulle føler det samme som Siv Jensen og Per Sandberg, så svarer jeg ja. Fordi de begge har mål som overgår de utenforstående personer.

At Eskil Pedersen kaster en Zippo i en kokende tønne med parafin, rettferdigjør ikke Per Sandsberg. Heller gjør det ikke Siv Jensens tilbakespill lurt. Akkurat som Roar Flåten eller andre ringrever kunne idag åte ett slaktoffer hvis de hadde vært sulten nok. Istedenfor kommer Jens Stoltenberg med forståelse og ro, å skjønner at Per Sandberg prøvde å redde seg selv. Før Siv Jensen satte alt i samme posisjon som i går.

Dette er en ordkrig. Å vil være en ordkrig mellom FRP og AP & AUF. Så når du kommer med utspill og reversere det like etter. Viser det hvor viktig det er å være nøysom i forhold til hendelsen. Ikke minst om ømfintlig du må være. Om jeg tolerere FRPs utspill så gjør jeg det, men det gjør ikke det rett eller smakelig. Like smakelig tilbud som bli rik opplegget fra Lagos.

Så nå er det bare så hva prinsen og hele følget gjør videre. Usmakelig kommer til å bli, hvis ikke en partene manner seg opp og ydmyker seg i offentligheten. Med en gest til sin argeste fiende. Fordi det kan bare bli flauere og kvalmere herfra og ut i evigheten.

Her er hele klipp fra VG-TV. Vil advare at begge klipp gir reklame før de sendes. VG lurer til seg masse penger. Uansett her er det som diskuteres utifra idag.

VG TV – Per Sandberg (Hele klippet fra Stortinget)

VG TV – Siv Jensen angrep på AP & AUF (og prøve å unnskylde dette)

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